Guests:
Sen.
Lindsay Graham (R-SC)
Sen.
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Sen.
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Rep. Bobby Scott (D-VA) Gen. Michael Hayden (fmr. Director NSA)
David Ignatius
Andrea
Mitchell
James Risen
Gregory:
Obama wants to arm
the rebels
Graham:
that's not enough –
we
need to create a no-fly zone
Gregory:
you think the rebels
can't
win with just guns
Graham:
also i'm worried about
Lebanon
– the whole region
is
a powder keg
Gregory:
so would you invade Syria?
Graham:
Israel could end up
surrounded
by enemies
Gregory:
oh noe!
Graham:
the whole area is about to
explode
– I don't understand Obama's
foreign
policy – American should
control
all countries everywhere
Ignatius:
Assad's generals are fleeing
Gregory:
can we track guns in Syria
– we
can't even track them here!
Mitchell:
we may get into a
proxy
war with Iran
Gregory:
great
Mitchell:
also because Bush lied
about
weapons of mass destruction
so
no one believes us anymore
Gregory:
Sen. McCain says we can
get
involved in a middle east war
risk-free
– isn't that crazy considering
you
guys freaked over Benghazi?
Graham:
no not at all – we must kill
Bashir
Assad or the King of Jordan
is toast
Mitchell:
how do we know we won't
help
terrorists get chemical weapons?
Graham:
there are no good answers –
but
we have a big military so we
might
as well use it
Ignatius:
what's the best argument
for
attacking Syria?
Graham:
all the regular Syrians
I
know love America
Gregory:
is Ed Snowden a traitor?
Graham:
I don't know but I've
got
a simple view of the world
Gregory:
that's why I love you
Graham:
I would like to
listen
in on terrorists
Gregory:
is an immigration bill
going
to pass?
Graham:
yes – I haven't been
this
optimistic since Ashley Wilkes proposed
Gregory:
could you expand on that?
Graham:
we should invade Syria!
Gregory:
who is going to be
elected
President in 2016?
Graham:
Jeb Bush
Gregory:
another Bush?
Graham:
this time it will work
Gregory:
what makes you so sure?
Graham:
Obama caused the recession
and
started wars in the middle east
Gregory:
is that good or bad?
Graham:
good question Fluffy
[
break ]
Gregory:
a moderate was
elected
President of Iran
Ignatius:
it's fascinating –
he's
soft on beheadings
Gregory:
what should we do in Syria?
Chambliss:
we should remove
Assad
because he is not good
Gregory:
but we might send
arms
to crazy people
Chambliss:
we're pretty good at
ferreting
out the good guys
Gregory:
indeed our track
record
is spotless
Chambliss:
a no-fly zone may
be
the ultimate tactic
Gregory:
the U.S. says we will
put
the guns the right hands
Udall:
all we have to do is protect
the
Syrian people, contain all weapons
and
install a good regime
Gregory:
oh is that all
Udall:
oh and seize the oil
Gregory:
Syria doesn't have any oil
Udall:
what fuck it it then
Gregory:
is Ed Snowden a traitor?
Chambliss:
if he's not a traitor
he's
pretty darn close
Gregory:
right
Chambliss:
the bad guys now
know
not to use telephones
which
puts American lives at risk
Gregory:
what's next for Ed Snowden?
Chambliss:
Dancing with the Stars
Gregory:
what about NSA surveillance?
Udall:
I love PRISM but I think collecting
the metadata of millions of
Americans
might violate the
Fourth Amendment
Gregory:
ok
Udall:
but my bill would make
it
okay to collect metadata
for
Americans with a link to terrorism
Gregory:
after 9/11 everyone
bashed
the NSA for not collecting
enough
information
Chambliss:
we've stopped lots of
terrorist
attacks with these programs!
Gregory:
name some
Chambliss:
the NYC subway bombing
plot
and the Mumbai bombings
Gregory:
the Mumbai attacks were not prevented
Chambliss:
nobody's perfect Fluffy
Gregory:
don't people want
surveillance
to prevent attacks?
Udall:
why can't the NSA get
a
warrant for metadata?
Gregory:
maybe they secretly do
Udall:
the King of England could
kill
people in 1776
Gregory:
well I'm sure both sides
were
equally guilty
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break ]
Gregory:
will people turn on spying
when
more revelations come out?
Hayden:
no when people learn more
about
how great these programs
they
will love them
Gregory:
what don't people
understand
about how they work?
Hayden:
PRISM is content but
only
applies to foreigners and
metadata
is for Americans but
has
no content
Gregory:
Obama expanded these programs
Scott:
that's a lie
Gregory:
I know it is but
I'm
required to say it
Scott:
the issue is what information
is
gathered and what can be accessed
and
how can it be used –
like
with DNA on arrest
Risen:
we created a modern
surveillance
structure with no debate
Ignatius:
Bush broke the law
with
warrantless wiretapping
Gregory:
be quiet
Ignatius:
these idiot congressmen
whine
that they can't bring their
staffs
or take notes –
suck
it up and do your jobs
Gregory:
Snowden – good or bad?
Ignatius:
this kid just released this
stuff
will nilly - we're still a nation of laws
Mitchell:
Snowden is undeniably
brilliant
but his internet chats
showed
he was very edgy but
still
he got top secret clearance
Gregory:
I heard he had hipster
glasses
and listened to
Mumford
and Sons
Mitchell:
oh my god
Hayden:
Snowden is flat-out lying –
there's
no way he could access all
the
information he claimed
Mitchell:
how would you know –
you're
totally clueless
Hayden:
you can only access metadata
through
a terrorist predicate
Scott:
whatever the hell that means
Risen:
we only debate these issues
when
a so-called traitor tells us
what
the government is up to
Gregory:
Congress doesn't have the
guts
to talk about limiting surveillance
Ignatius:
at least Obama tried to
make
it legal – although clearly
General
Hayden doesn't want
to
have this debate
Hayden:
I'm scared al-qaeda
will
learn that we have civil
rights
and exploit that
Mitchell:
sweet jesus General
it's
like you crave a dictatorship
Hayden:
but a safe one
Mitchell:
since Benghazi and
the
IRS and Monica Lewinsky
I
don't trust the NSA
Risen:
we have a massive
surveillance
state which probably
lead
to a police state
Gregory:
which leakers do we like
and
which don't we like?
Scott:
can all this information be
used
for ordinary heinous crimes
or
trade deals?
Gregory:
that's a good question
and
I hate it – let's talk about the
rise
of the Celebrity Leaker
Risen:
the whistleblowing system
is
totally broken – the best
method
is to go the media now
Mitchell:
he could have gone to
his
local member of Congress
Risen:
Peter King would have him killed
Ignatius:
that's a fixable problem
and
therefore uninteresting
Risen:
I know it's fixable –
that's
why I brought it up
Hayden:
I hate transparency but
if
you all fucking insist on it so be it
Gregory:
it's Father's Day -
what
did your Dad teach you?
Mitchell:
my Dad is 99 years
old
and he taught me to fight
Ignatius:
my dad was Navy Secretary
under
LBJ and taught to never get
involved
in a land war in Asia
without
a pretty good reason
Risen:
my dad always want to
host
a Sunday talk show
Hayden:
what my dad taught
me
is classified
Scott:
don't collect information
and
tell me you're not going
to
use for kidnappings
Gregory:
ok
Scott:
my Dad fought segregation
and
he taught me to challenge
injustice
with great dignity
Gregory:
and that's another
episode of Meet The Press
